...you get up and work on some obscure .asp code? I did that last night. glad i did actually. although i didn't fix the problem with the program i was working on, i went to bed and had weird dreams about SQL connection strings. when i woke up, i knew exactly what the problem was, even though i don't have any clue why i knew that from the weird dreams i had, which i could remember without any problem. so i opened the app in another authoring tool, created new connection strings for all the SQL objects that were supposed to be connected, re-saved the whole kit and caboodle, and voila, it worked. two minutes of work to fix something that had bugged me for months. sometimes dreams may not make sense and sometimes you dont know where inspiration comes from, but always follow the gut instinct right when you get it. just like writing music... if you feel it you have to get it on tape RIGHT then or it;s lost forever.